The Moral Side Of Murder.

[Blu]

Today, I've been doing a lot of thinking. Watching a ton of YouTube videos, eating, sleeping, etc. So with all the thinking, I've conjured up two scenarios. And in each, you have two choices. If you plan on posting in this topic, I hope you do explain your choices for whatever you did in each scenario.

Scenario #1 - The Workers
Let's say that you operate a trolley car. And somehow, while operating said trolley car, a mechanism stopped working causing the trolley to go full on kamikaze mode. As you repeatedly slammed the brakes, you soon realized that they didn't even work. As the trolley is moving, you see five workers fixing the tracks that your very trolley car was placed on. Suddenly, you see a side track that would easily get you out of their direction. However, there is one worker placed on that track. The steering wheel works.

So you have two choices: continue driving straight and kill the five workers OR turn the trolley car onto the side track and kill the one worker.

Scenario #2 - Fat Man
Instead of you being the operator for this scenario, you are now a bystander. The one worker no longer exists in this scenario, so the side track is completely gone. Instead, it's just you, the five workers, the operator and a very large man. The five workers are just getting done fixing a large crack in the tracks, but the volley is headed it's way. The brakes still do not work, neither does the steering wheel. However, you and the large man are standing on a sidewalk parallel to the trolley's tracks.

So you have two choices: with one swift push, you can easily use the large man to stop the trolley car, killing him OR you can simply let the five workers die.

Be sure to explain your reasoning's.

[Chet Starr]

Scenario 1 = I would kill the single worker, because less death is always better in my opinion.

Scenario 2 = I would let the five workers die horrible horrible deaths. Saving five strangers is not worth spending the rest of my life in prision

[Spyder]

agree with chet

unless you know the five workers are scum, which of course you dont

[mdemaz]

What Chet said.

Other than those scenarios and other similar ones, there's still no excuse for killing.

Involuntary manslaughter would be your lowest conviction, you might even avoid jail time as your case would just be dismissed as accidental death.
Well, even if there was little evidence to backup your story, you might get lucky and it would be considered a horrible accident.

I'd actually consider the latter being more logical, as the detectives would see the broken parts on the machinery.

Also, an autopsy to find cause of death would give them an idea about what happened.

If you watched CSI and all those forensic shows a lot, you'd know that they can easily prove something was an accident by observing many clues.

[momentsgolden]

Harvard Hustice Series by Sandel. Kill 'em

[Kill You]

Scenario 1 = kill the one worker. The less lives taken, the better in that situation.

Scenario 2 = let the trolley kill the five, depending on who they are...

But really, I think what I would ultimately do in any situation is yell "get the fuck out of the way or you'll die!" to any of them. Unless you're for some reason a mute. You'd think they had to sense to move so they don't die.

[CrashBand]

>Goes to very first psychology 101 lecture
>Makes a thread discussing morality online

On topic though, don't most people choose to switch it and save 5 people in scenario one and to NOT push the fat man therefore not saving the 5 people in scenario two.

Because the distinction between the two scenarios being - In the second case your action is deliberately killing this innocent man.

Whereas in the first case your action has the side effect of killing someone

[Blu]

>Goes to very first psychology 101 lecture
>Makes a thread discussing morality online

What? lol I got this from a video on YouTube.

[CrashBand]

Yeah sorry, I didn't mean anything by it.
I just remembered this from a university induction day

[CrashBand]

I could see myself trying to save as many people as possible

does that mean you would push the fat man?


what if there was a scenario where 5 people were going to die due to illness.
and you could kill one person and get all the necessary healthy organs to save them?

[Kill You]

Still can't believe I'm the only one who put yell for them to get out of the way...like really, are you not able to speak or something in this situation? Lol. That way you can save all of them and no one has to die.

[Amaranthine]

^But would they be able to comprehend what you said, notice the danger and run far enough to get totally out of the way before the speeding trolley hit them? Probably not.

#1) I'd kill the one guy. Or maybe try to force the trolley car off the track entirely and crash into the wall and hope I don't die.

#2) Let the workers die.

[momentsgolden]

>Goes to very first psychology 101 lecture
>Makes a thread discussing morality online

What? lol I got this from a video on YouTube.

its the one i pointed you to... Justice series by Micheal Sandel. Lecture one. The whole 12 are interesting actually and i encourage anyone who wants to prepare themselves for ANY Debate to watch it.

[12characters]

I'd realistically just honk the horn or yell and once I caught their attention, start jacking off.

[cheeseburger]

What Menzo said, minus the handjob.

Why not just make them move out of the way?