9/11 Conspiracies

[Emadyville]

These is evidence, you just choose to ignore it

[mrjizzbomber]

These is evidence, you just choose to ignore it

I know there is evidence, I've just never had any CONCRETE evidence passed by me. I have a hard time getting invested in loads of circumstantial evidence.

[buffalo bill]

They didn't shoot shit down etc they knew what was happening though. It seemed all very convenient for the Political ambitions of the U.S government at the time. They are not stupid to be directly involved with it but smart enough to be be indirectly involved at a high level.

out of curiousity, since you're russian...

do you think that similarly the Kremlin / FSB had anything to do with the 1999 apartment bombings that led up to the second Chechnya war? apologies if this has already come up in the thread.

[Emadyville]

These is evidence, you just choose to ignore it

I know there is evidence, I've just never had any CONCRETE evidence passed by me. I have a hard time getting invested in loads of circumstantial evidence.

I think the idea that thermite brought it down is a pretty good piece of "circumstancial" evidence you can elaborate on, since it is proven there was molten steel below ground zero through eye witness accounts and thermal readings. In addition, the fact that jet fuel doesn't burn close to as hot as whats needed to melt steel, while thermite can, and get to over 2000 degrees in 2 minutes, which makes sense since the towers came down so quickly. Finally, you have pictures that show thermite reactions, for example:



There are also many examples of evidence that I find, which I feel get overlooked. I often refer to as common sense problems with 9/11, for example the plane that hit the south tower. It was american airlines, google image it, you won't find a plane that doesn't look like this:



Yet this is the plane that hit it:


Add into this the newscast from that day, where the reporter described it as "looking like a cargo plane" and specifically stated it looked like nothing like a commercial airliner.

It's stuff like this that made me look into it, the simple fact is that I saw video of the second plane, thought to myself that it in no way looks like an AA plane, and I look into it. It's just how my mind works, so you can see that I'm not just trying to make up shit or say things i read or saw on the internet. A lot of this is my own interest and questioning of the truth.

[Fa-Q]

Well, since the government was in charge of bringing down the towers, then they must have been in charge of the bombing 8 years prior. Since Bush was not even a very prominent politition then, and Clinton was in office...if it was a democrat that was in office then it would not even be a question

[Fa-Q]

The largest problem I have with this theory is with a coverup of that scale and with that many government officials involved...someone would have come foward and said something

[97Civic]

How about this... Who gives a flying fuck if it was a conspiracy or not

3000 people died that day... thats a fucking tragedy people

[Fa-Q]

How about this... Who gives a flying fuck if it was a conspiracy or not

3000 people died that day... thats a fucking tragedy people

Yea but people have to know if we need to worry about rags or the faces on the dollar bills

[Emadyville]

The largest problem I have with this theory is with a coverup of that scale and with that many government officials involved...someone would have come foward and said something

That is one of the reasons that makes me believe it couldn't have been done by our government. I think there is one other reason but I cannot think of it at the moment.

So yeah I agree with your comment, and it is one reason that no matter how many things I find that make it seem to be different than what we were told, I feel it was

[EminemBase]

The largest problem I have with this theory is with a coverup of that scale and with that many government officials involved...someone would have come foward and said something

Which is one of the most common and invalid statements ever made regarding this matter for a few reasons.

1. People seriously overestimate the amount of people needed to be involved in 9/11. Essentially, it was the demolition of three buildings. It doesn't take half the Government to rig three buildings with explosives. In comparison to bigger, already exposed events in history, the amount needed in 9/11 is absolutely tiny. People make a false connection between the scale of the disaster and the scale needed to pull it off. If you think a handful of badly organized Middle-Eastern terrorists could bring down three of the most secure buildings in New York, don't you think a handful of extremely well organized, well-financed, American criminals within the Government could do it. A lot easier. The jump is the 'official' claim not the alternative.

2. Why on earth would anybody involved and therefore implemented come forward and say something. Whoever took part in it clearly wanted it to happen and wants to hide it, so why the hell would they come forward and expose themselves. As for people who may know about it but not been involved aka whistleblowers - There have been TONS of those. Air force officials, government members, FBI agents, CIA officials - many many many. But considering all major media outlets in America are completely owned and therefore controlled by people who are inside, connected to or affiliated / profit-from the Government, do you seriously think the mainstream media will air any of these people. Their agenda is pro-establishment, beyond all else. Because they are the establishment, they'll do anything in their power to deny true or controversial objectivity, information or opinion to be broadcast which could put any sort of damaging negative light on the current establishment. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot. Plenty HAVE come forward, you just don't look for them.

3. Regardless of whether you think the Government 'would' or 'could' do it is not relevant to the facts. The scientific facts of the collapses, the nature of them and many elements of the events 100% prove that all three buildings came down by controlled demolition. They were of course hit by planes but planes are not what brought them down. Objective, scientific, proveable, testable FACTS prove this. Things which are not debatable but based on the laws of physics that are irrespective of your Government views. So because of this, you have to ask yourself, is it more likely that three of the most protected buildings outside of the Pentagon were planted with tons of nano-thermite (a sophisticated explosive used by the military / made in defence labs) by delusional, out of touch foreign terrorists who could scarcely have access to the country let alone exclusive access to three of the most important buildings in New York, or isit more likely elements of the US government - Who have free, untamed access to everything I've mentioned. I think anybody who thinks the first option is the more likely of the two is the quak who needs their head examined.

People who know the buildings were demolished and suspect it must have been elements of the Government or somebody much better funded and organized than Al-Queda have it correct. People who think Osama Bin Laden outfoxed the richest, most protected country on Earth and created three freak of nature occurances by bringing down three buildings with two planes, in a fashion that literally defies physics given the official account are the ones who believe the conspiracy theory. A theory which is illogical, impossible and silly.

[Emadyville]

Well that was well put, great points embase

[Fa-Q]

Embase, come now....something of that magnitude could not be covered up. Plus there is no way that bombs could not be snuck into a building that size in the middle of New York. Really, Eminembase have you been to New York. If a trucks after endless trucks were lined up putting some kind of mysterious, covered up material on the edges and sides of the building, maybe sometime some employee raises question? There sure is a lot of guiltless government officials

[EminemBase]

^ It hasn't been covered up!

Lmfao, what do you think people have been debating for 9 years. If it was covered up we wouldn't be having this conversation in a serious manner. This is why over 1k Professional Architects / Engineers at AE911 truth are now making serious noise and picking up supporters by the dozen.

But the mainstream media, regardless of what they believe - Would never be so stupid as to publicly support the idea the Government even MIGHT have been involved in 9/11. I mean are you insane, can you imagine the chaos. They know how many morons get their opinions from headlines, it would cause a fucking revolution. So instead, they blindly support the official claim, deny all possible other theories, refuse to question anything and do cheap character assassinations on anybody who think otherwise.

It has not been covered up. It's very very obvious. There's solid evidence, there's whistleblowers, there are a lot of people now believing it, it's not covered up at all. Mainstream media just 'act' like it's still a fringe belief out of desperation.

As for the rigging of the explosives - There was a guy last week, can't remember his name but he was in the demolition industry his entire life and he said he knew from the moment those buildings fell theyre were 'jobs' and he also explained how you'd only need to rig the first few floors. To bring the entire structures in on themselves. And we have evidence of people hearing explosions on the ground level well before the buildings started to collapse, also caught on video.

Now, also to note - And this is public record - Another fact, a construction company headed by family members and associates of George Bush performed the biggest elevator modification in construction history on the Towers in June 2001. Just months before 9/11 happened. Now, on the Towers, the elevator shafts are right on the core collums. So if you were to place thermite anywhere, it would be there.

So we also have solid fact that people headed by Government associates had complete, untamed access to the core collums of the Towers just a few months before the disaster happened. On the exact spots you'd plant explosives if to do it. It's also a known fact they had security guards (armed) gurading the blocked over view of the 'work' being done on the elevator shafts. This 'work' took weeks and is totally unfamiliar to most modifications.

I mean how crystal clear to people need things to be before accepting them. Again, whether you think they 'could' is not relevant to the facts. All buildings fell at free-fall acceleration, into the path of greatest resistance, in on themselves, straight down into their own footprint = Impossible unless they were timed, controlled demolitions. Do you know how much skill and precision it takes to bring a building STRAIGHT down, it's actually an art. And suggesting it 'just happened' three times in a row on the same day is pure delusion. It cannot, its' also impossible to fall at free-fall unless the floors are being blown outward AS the collapse is occuring. So they are not in the way and the buildings speeds up.

Also mushroom cloud explosion, material being ejected outwards. Collapses do not 'eject' material out at 70mph. But explosions do. Collapses don't bring buildings down in perfect symmterary in seven seconds. Demolitions do. We have a theory of controlled demolition, as much proof as could possibly be needed to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that this theory is the correct one. Then, we have circumstantial evidence that perfectly explains how / when they could of done it. Just months before the disaster happened. Also evidence the US knew well in advance the high jackings would take place.

It's so blindingly obvious they knew the hijackings would occur, ignored the warnings, rigged the buildings in June under the guise of this elevator modification, let the hijackings happen then bring the buildings down an hour later. Because they know that most people are chimps that will just go "PLANE HIT BUILDINGS.... FIRE BURN... BUILDINGS FALL... OOH, BAD, GET ENEMY". And it's obvious this was done to create a horrific, massacre of a disaster to justify an illegal invasion of Afghanistan - and go after enemies they proved no reasonable linked threats from. It couldn't be more obvious.

Just a matter of time now before the number of intelligent people who fully realize it tip the scale and the majority forces the truth into public admission.

[97Civic]

^ yes because the Taliban and the people who ran the country before the invasion were justified when they did things like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24LNQfIx ... re=related

public exicutions?

nice call, bro

[Fa-Q]

People misconstrue quotes to get what they want out of them. The people that said that they heard "Explosions" if you read the entire quote it says "what sounded like explosions." Maybe it was the building falling floor by floor into its self, or maybe it was the numerous pipes, copiers, computers that could have possible exploded when these buildings collapsed. And really, are we really going to rely on people and quotes to say this is al just a conspiracy. I could be a witness that saw the moon, and told you the next day that I heard and saw aliens on it. I was there, and you weren't, but you know about the moon. Another person that saw more of the moon than you last night says an outlandish theory, do you believe me? What would be Bush's reasoning behind blowing it up. Oil or a reason to invade Iraq. We had enough reason to invade Iraq without this. Oil, oil prices have done nothing but rise since 9/11. The economy took a turn for the worst after 9/11...nothing came out of it...