Goverment Sterilization

[_Steven_]

Obviously Poland is much different than the United States.

This is Poland.

[classthe_king]

Obviously Poland is much different than the United States.

Yeah, we don't need pictograms in user's guides.

I'm not quite sure what the means

[aprilm]

I think this would have the exact opposite effect, because you're assuming too much responsibility on the part of the people who could "pass the test," whatever kind of test it was. I mean, most Americans (and I don't know if this holds true for the whole world) read at an 8th grade level anyway - so you're Algebra II part B seniors would still pass the test. You'd have to throw out a much wider net to catch the people you are talking about than just making the test too hard for the bottom 15-20%.

But the reason I think this would really go wrong is because responsibility is a lifelong learning process. In your scenario, there would be no teenage pregnancy because teenagers couldn't get pregnant - so teenagers could fuck around as much as they wanted to without ever having to learn anything about birth control, because pregnancy would be impossible. And wanting to fuck has no IQ requirement - smartest to dumbest, everybody wants to. So then these people turn 21 - some will pass and some will fail, so some will be deemed worthy of reproducing and others will not, where before they were all equal in their inability to reproduce. So now you have a privileged class (as in, I know I'm better than you because I can have kids and you can't) which obviously is going to have consequences in other parts of their lives (it's hard to shake the "you're a dumbass" tag). Plus, this newly privileged class is used to fucking around with the suddenly dumbass class without consequences, and they'll still be able to because only one of them is capable of reproduction. You can't assume that those capable of passing the test would no longer be interested in sex with people who couldn't pass the test. Who cares if you are capable of making a baby if you don't want one anyway? You're not suggesting that people be forced to have children once they have the test. You can't assume people who pass the test will want children either. So then you are just shrinking the population, not necessarily strenghtening it.

Here's the other thing. You get a class of people who believe they are better, smarter, and more worthy than others because of their intellect, and who can quickly identify people who will never be able to have biological children because they are lesser. Add to that the toll that having children takes on your sex life, which these people have been able to be pretty free with. Who do you think is going to end up doing the actual childcare? It won't be as many of the ones with working reproductive parts as you might think. This is really just extending the immature sexuality that's common in adolescence into adulthood. So, while you might end up with smarter kids, you won't end up with better parents.

And I'm assuming that somebody with an STD would fail the un-sterilization test, even though you didn't specifically say so. If STDs don't matter in this scenario, there's another whole host of problems that come up with infection spreading between people who are able to reproduce and to their children. Even if you do fail people with STDs, you're going to end up weeding out some of your potential reproducers.

This also wouldn't stop abortion. Despite the message many pro-life organizations deliver, all abortions are not the result of some filthy whore fucking around and murdering her baby because she's too lazy and selfish to raise it. Passing an IQ test wouldn't make a woman in danger of dying in childbirth suddenly capable of surviving it.

Education is the answer.

[classthe_king]

I've given up on the American Education system. In Ohio they're passing a bill which privatizes teaching. Most of my smartest teachers are saying they won't be teaching two years from now. So now a bunch of retards are going to be teachers which are going to make things even worse.

And for one, if a sterile person had sex with an unsteril person they still wouldn't be able to have kids. And I'm not too worried about having two societies break out between the fertile and the infertile because after a couple generations not that many people would fail tbh, and those that did we would probably enslave them or something, I haven't worked out the details though because I haven't got that far in my plan.

[yoshi]

Obviously Poland is much different than the United States.

This is Poland.

Uh.. It's Kremlin in Moscow to be exact.

[Tornado]

I can see problems with your idea

1. It'll cause a huge divide in society. You'll have people looked on as the superior breed of human and people who aren't. While it may not affect you, it'll be another kind of prejudice this world can do without

2. I can see, if this idea took off, more things would determine whether you were worthy of having a kid. Next thing, it might be that poor people can't have kids because they can't afford to raise it for example. It'll grow into something stupid which only "normal" people can reproduce, like they're worthy enough

3. Goverment's got enough control of people's lives without giving them the power of who gets to give out life

4. I can see population numbers faall dramatically. I mean, what happens if someone passes the test wanst to have a baby with someone who failed? So they're gonna have to fuck someone else who can give them a child? And this'll be a sex crazed orgy for those under 21. Teenagers would be fucking left, right and centre without fear of pregnancy (they'll still be diseases but you get the point). This'll just encourage young people to fuck around more with more disregard for safety, and if teenage girls go around, it's only time before they meet someone sterilized , think it's ok, then catch an disease. Normal Life Over....

5. Won't do shit for crime rate. That's unrelated

6. Just because two "normal" people have a kid, don't mean the kid'll do any better in his life

7. Would someone with Autism be less eligible than some who had a STD or is it once you've had a disease, your'e ineligible?

Just my thoughts?

[classthe_king]

I can see problems with your idea

1. It'll cause a huge divide in society. You'll have people looked on as the superior breed of human and people who aren't. While it may not affect you, it'll be another kind of prejudice this world can do without

I already said I didn't really care about this. It's not like half the society is going to fail. It's literally only going to be the lowest of our population. After the fail the test we'll probably make them just pick up our garbag or do some other shit like that.

2. I can see, if this idea took off, more things would determine whether you were worthy of having a kid. Next thing, it might be that poor people can't have kids because they can't afford to raise it for example. It'll grow into something stupid which only "normal" people can reproduce, like they're worthy enough

Well if someone was poor that means they probably don't have a very good job which means they're probably not very well educated which means they probably won't pass the test soo.....

4. I can see population numbers faall dramatically. I mean, what happens if someone passes the test wanst to have a baby with someone who failed? So they're gonna have to fuck someone else who can give them a child? And this'll be a sex crazed orgy for those under 21. Teenagers would be fucking left, right and centre without fear of pregnancy (they'll still be diseases but you get the point). This'll just encourage young people to fuck around more with more disregard for safety, and if teenage girls go around, it's only time before they meet someone sterilized , think it's ok, then catch an disease. Normal Life Over....

It wouldn't fall dramatically...yeah it will fall a bit but again, you're acting like half the population won't be able to have kids lmao. And why would anyone that passed want to have kids with the dumb ass that didn't? Trust men, it wouldnt happen. And who cares if there's sex filled orgies? Most of the dumb asses that are obsessed with sex anyone would die off after a couple generations.

5. Won't do shit for crime rate. That's unrelated

How is in unrelated at all? Most of the dumbass criminals that commit crimes won't be able to have kids, there kids won't commit crimes, crime rate goes down.

6. Just because two "normal" people have a kid, don't mean the kid'll do any better in his life

I never said it would be but most of the time it would...and you know that, expecially without any bad apples to give it peer pressure.

7. Would someone with Autism be less eligible than some who had a STD or is it once you've had a disease, your'e ineligible?

Who ever said anything about disease?

I made this topic so I could have some people try and argue and find flaws in my plan but so far no one has, I guess it's perfect

[Tornado]

What happens if the economy get worse and more people get poorer then? Whatever class you're in, it don't mean they can't have alright kids. I get your earlier point of kids with a nice upbringing have more of a chance turning out ok but you never know, we could get more Paris Hiltons and shit from wealthy families.

As for population, they'll be people who passed the test who maybe don't want a kid just fucking with someone who didn't. You may not think people'll do that but some people think like that. As for the orgy thing, what happens when they turn 21, pass the test and are clueless about safe sex if they've just been around sleeping with others not being responsible? I'd rather they learned this instead of having a safety net to cover their mistakes

Crime don't come down to genes, simple as. You have to teach these fuckers what's acceptable. I'm no fan of teaching, mainly because people don't have the apporiate life skills to function in the real world, hence why they turn to crime

You can't 100% eradicate bad apples. Some kids go through a phase of being little brats and get influenced not just by other kids, but older figures aswell.

As for the disease bit, some people's families are more likely to get cerain conditions. Why, if this idea came into motion, would you want the new generation to be subject to that y'know? If we're cleaning up the human race, why would we want unwell people passing their genes on.

[classthe_king]

What happens if the economy get worse and more people get poorer then? Whatever class you're in, it don't mean they can't have alright kids. I get your earlier point of kids with a nice upbringing have more of a chance turning out ok but you never know, we could get more Paris Hiltons and shit from wealthy families.

Honestly though, who said anything about money? I'm talking about intellect.

As for population, they'll be people who passed the test who maybe don't want a kid just fucking with someone who didn't. You may not think people'll do that but some people think like that. As for the orgy thing, what happens when they turn 21, pass the test and are clueless about safe sex if they've just been around sleeping with others not being responsible? I'd rather they learned this instead of having a safety net to cover their mistakes

Okay, then they won't be able to have a kid, I don't know what you want me to say. And if they haven't learned safe sex by the time they're 21 then

Crime don't come down to genes, simple as. You have to teach these fuckers what's acceptable. I'm no fan of teaching, mainly because people don't have the apporiate life skills to function in the real world, hence why they turn to crime

How do you know? There are theories that everything in your life is decided by your jeans. If you took out all the bad apples and there influences the crime rate would go down, that's undeniable.

You can't 100% eradicate bad apples. Some kids go through a phase of being little brats and get influenced not just by other kids, but older figures aswell.

I never said you kid, but if someone is going to be a brat then he won't be able to have kids and his bratness won't be passed on

As for the disease bit, some people's families are more likely to get cerain conditions. Why, if this idea came into motion, would you want the new generation to be subject to that y'know? If we're cleaning up the human race, why would we want unwell people passing their genes on.

Because I don't care about diseases.

[aprilm]

I made this topic so I could have some people try and argue and find flaws in my plan but so far no one has, I guess it's perfect

Except that you really aren't engaging with anyone's criticisms of your plan. Several issues have been pointed out, and your response to every one of them is "I don't care about that." You're comfortable enslaving people too dumb to pass the fertility test. Which proves where the biggest flaw in your plan really is - intellect does not equal goodness or morality. It also does not equal the kind of hubris and conceit that would stop someone from fucking a person that was dumber than them.

Smart people can still be shitty people, a fact which you seem to be choosing to ignore. Because smart people can also be really stubborn, narrow-minded people.

[classthe_king]

Except that you really aren't engaging with anyone's criticisms of your plan.

Because any real complaints are from people misconstruing my plan.

Several issues have been pointed out, and your response to every one of them is "I don't care about that."

I said that once lol

You're comfortable enslaving people too dumb to pass the fertility test. Which proves where the biggest flaw in your plan really is - intellect does not equal goodness or morality. It also does not equal the kind of hubris and conceit that would stop someone from fucking a person that was dumber than them.

Smart people can still be shitty people, a fact which you seem to be choosing to ignore. Because smart people can also be really stubborn, narrow-minded people.

Well for one, I'm sterilizing dumb people and then enslaving them, it's fair to say morality isn't at the top of my priority list and two, who cares if a smart person fucks a dumb one?

[aprilm]

Except that you really aren't engaging with anyone's criticisms of your plan.

Because any real complaints are from people misconstruing my plan.

Define "real complaints." The posts in this discussion have brought up major social issues. How much more "real" does something need to be for it to count with you?

Several issues have been pointed out, and your response to every one of them is "I don't care about that."

I said that once lol

I think you said the exact words twice, once in reference to disease and once in reference to creating a class distinction. But my point here wasn't the exact words - if there was a way to do air quotes in a post, that's what those quotation marks around "I don't care about that." would have been. The point is you are merely deflecting - asking a rhetorical question like "Who said anything about money?" in response to a criticism based on economic issues is not engaging with the criticism. Your "I said that once lol" response is similarly deflecting. I don't think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. You are playing semantics to avoid giving a real response.

You're comfortable enslaving people too dumb to pass the fertility test. Which proves where the biggest flaw in your plan really is - intellect does not equal goodness or morality. It also does not equal the kind of hubris and conceit that would stop someone from fucking a person that was dumber than them.

Smart people can still be shitty people, a fact which you seem to be choosing to ignore. Because smart people can also be really stubborn, narrow-minded people.

Well for one, I'm sterilizing dumb people and then enslaving them, it's fair to say morality isn't at the top of my priority list and two,

This is the biggest problem with your plan. The absence of morality leads to a Hobbesian society.

And really, it isn't like we can't look to history to see how a plan like this will turn out - slavery existed in the United States. And after slavery was abolished, the Jim Crow laws were enacted in the South. Part of those, in case you aren't familiar with this period of history, required that people take an IQ test to be able to vote. Guess what happened? The people who were in charge of writing the test made sure they wrote a test that the people they didn't want to vote couldn't pass, no matter how smart they were. If a black person was even literate, the white guy grading the test threw it away. And the logic in your plan isn't much different from the logic in the Jim Crow laws. This plan is corrupt when a vote is at stake. There isn't a single reason to expect that it wouldn't be akin to tyranny when something like a baby is at stake.

That being said, I don't think you would see a problem with tyranny of this sort. So I'm sure this particular criticism will be one that you don't define as a "real."

who cares if a smart person fucks a dumb one?

One of the criticisms that has been brought up is that you can't assume the smart people will want children. If the smart person doesn't want children but does still want sex, the best way to achieve that is to fuck a dumb person. If that happens often enough, your population drops because the dumb people aren't having kids AND there is no smarter generation (since the smart people aren't reproducing because they are fucking sterile people). You suggested in one of your responses that you don't believe smart people will want to fuck dumb people. You are mistaken about that. I believe you also suggested that after a few generations all the dumb people will be gone and it will only be smart people - that still doesn't address the desire to have children. A smart person is even more likely to know how not to get pregnant than a dumb one.

[classthe_king]

You aren't really saying anything worth responding too at this point. It looks like my plan is perfect.


Well....so you're telling me that every single smart person in the country won't want to have kids or will want to have kids with a dumb one? Yeah right lol, and I already said the population will go down a little bit, that's expected, but there's nothing wrong with that.

[dR3]

How can someone be unsterilized? Is that even possible?

[classthe_king]

It happens all the time doesn't it

One of my dad's friends wife didn't want to have kids anymore so he got the operation done but then she decided she did so he got it undone to have the kid and then done again.