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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 5th, '10, 15:29

Amadeo wrote:
EminemBase wrote:9/11 was 100% an inside job. I'd bet my life on it at this point.

what is your evidence?

& if you do have evidence, how do you respond to this:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science ... 27842.html


What is my evidence? Did you read ONE line from either of my ridiculously long posts OTHER than the one you just quoted.

I'm not going to repeat myself. And I have already responded to every crock of shit in that article and then some, I debunked the debunking article about 2 years ago. And have responded to all their jibba in this thread. You just haven't read it.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 5th, '10, 18:48

Amadeo wrote:okay. i could only be bothered reading up to the 2nd page of this thread & i saw your post & responded to it.

but i'm going to listen to qualified engineers & not some 20-year-old guy with apparently no expertise in buildings.


Um, no, try knowing what you're talking about. That's ONE source.

All of the evidence I have laid out in my own words and phrasing isn't off the top of my fucking brain. It's from some of the top QUALIFIED building engineers, professionals and scientists in the country.

In fact AE911truth.org - You can read the majority of it there.

Over 1k professional architects and engineers aiming at a new, independent investigation. You know how quickly they've gotten that many professionals. A room full of architects walk in skeptical and it ends up about a 98% 'conversion' rate so to speak.

I didn't invent the laws of physics. Free-fall speed isn't from ME, that's a fact. The laws of physics are science. Everything that I have said is objective, provable science. Nano-thermite in the dust of all three towers if real, it's a fact. It's chemical evidence. Once again, not MY opinion.

So stop trying to apply it to me and man up and face the evidence. Okay then.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 5th, '10, 18:59

Amadeo wrote:
Coleon wrote:That article had some pretty shaky responses to both tower 7 and the molten steel pools^^^

EDIT: and it doesn't even cover the thermate particles found in the rubble or the crimp in TW7

would you mind directing me to a rebuttal or even a substantiated argument for a conspiracy? i haven't seen much beyond irrational YouTube videos made by college students with blurry photos, misquotes of experts, & flimsy animated GIFs.. the most in-depth i've seen is EminemBase, who is saying "the buildings fell @ free-fall acceleration."

now i'm way out of my depth here & correct me if i'm wrong, but different parts of the building would've fallen @ different accelerations. the building is not just a single particle like in a standard first-year physics kinematics problem. just because the building collapsed in the same amount of time it would take a penny to drop from the top to bottom without air resistance, does not mean the building fell @ g ms^2. there are frictional forces & all sorts of drag forces acting opposite the parts' motion.


No but that's the point. Each part of the building DIDN'T fall at different accelerations, that's why it's CONTROLLED.

That's the exact point of a controlled demolition. To take out core structures at the exact same time so everything falls straight down, quick, smooth. This doesn't happen by chance. It cannot happen by chance. Well I mean it could, technically, just like... A man could live to 200, we don't know. But probability wise, it's as close to impossible as we need to go. In those circumstances too. a-symmetrical damage, oxygen-starved fires... A few floors.

To believe that happened by chance is madness.

Also, the buildings DID fall at free-fall acceleration. Again, this isn't my opinion, I'm not winging it here. Try looking it up. I think you'll find NIST, who were the corupt fuckers officially assigned to 'investigating' the collapses were forced to admit - After scandelous rigging, disagreement... Seriously, this thing is ocean-deep. Anyway, they were forced to admit, that the buildings fell at free-fall.

So there you go. You even have the 'official' source admitting that. Yet they can't explain it. In fact, in the original report they even tried to completely ignore WTC 7. Just brush it under the carpet. Because it wasn't hit by a plane. Yet, fell in 7 seconds. Met no resistance.

It's just basic science. It is absolutely impossible for any of those buildings to have fell the way they did in the speed that they did, naturally. Probability, the laws of physics, chemistry and many other things, simply do not allow for it.

If you drop a block onto an equally heavy block straight down, it's going to meet EQUAL resistance. That means it'll stop. That's the exact point of the entire structure of those buildings. It's total insanity to just ignore that, you're pretending hundreds of floors just vanish. The only way it is possible is if the floors are moved out of the way - Hence, no resistance and therefore - Free-fall speed.

So by 'moved out the way there' I'm of course implying - Blown out the way. Blown outwards. Do we have evidence of this too? Absolutely. Both obvious, observable evidence and provable, measurable evidence. We have building material being ejected horizontally at upto 70mph. This is material being absolutely shot like a dart in every direction OUTWARDS. These buildings were meant to have fallen... In on themselves. Again, totally impossible with the 'official' account. This is a controlled demolition. Mushroom cloud effect.

But I mean this is just the start of it. We haven't even nibbled the icing of this evidence. This is basic science. Like I said, this thing is ocean-deep, I'd bet my life 100% that all three buildings came down by controlled demolition. Absolutely no questions asked. It's either that or physics and logic itself is wrong. I'm gonna stick with Newton and rationality. You can let emotion and distrust drive your views if you like or you can take an objective, comprehensive look at it for yourself and open your eyes.

Anyway, I'm exhausted on 9/11. I've debated the thing at breathless lengths with all sorts of people. I just can't wait till the new investigation makes the ignorant f-er's munch, munch, munch on their vile, disgusting words. Then they spit them back out in disbelief at their own stupidity.

You guys can argue it out amongst yourselves, I am totally out of this thread. Said all I want to say. We'll go round in circles. Because some people just do not want to... Argh, forget it. Later.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Fa-Q » Apr 6th, '10, 09:06

Ok first off:

Why would Bush pick the second and third largest buildings in NY to do this.

Why would Bush destroy both buildings...why not just one of them, that's enough of an excuse to go to war.

Why would Bush put the economy in the toilet in his first year of office. For oil? No one wants oil that bad.

Where was Bush in '93 when the first bombs went off.

Why is there more evidence pointing towards it not being Bush then evidence towards him.


Your foolish to think Bush did it. He has to deal with 3-7 more years of a terrible economy after. If he did it in his last year in office on either term then I could see maybe. People just like to hate on Bush but look what the first black president is doing to our once great country. Ironically the first black president wants to enslave the rest of us.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Wic Kid » Apr 6th, '10, 11:58

Fa-Q wrote:Ok first off:

Why would Bush pick the second and third largest buildings in NY to do this.

Why would Bush destroy both buildings...why not just one of them, that's enough of an excuse to go to war.

Why would Bush put the economy in the toilet in his first year of office. For oil? No one wants oil that bad.

Where was Bush in '93 when the first bombs went off.

Why is there more evidence pointing towards it not being Bush then evidence towards him.


Your foolish to think Bush did it. He has to deal with 3-7 more years of a terrible economy after. If he did it in his last year in office on either term then I could see maybe. People just like to hate on Bush but look what the first black president is doing to our once great country. Ironically the first black president wants to enslave the rest of us.


You obviously didnt watch the whole Zeitgeist. Bush is a puppet. Cant really blame him. Guess who has the most profit out of all this shit?

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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby Fa-Q » Apr 6th, '10, 13:31

Central bank doesn't make any money if Americans don't have money. And the building took the economy down with them
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 7th, '10, 18:49

Fa-Q wrote:Ok first off:

Why would Bush pick the second and third largest buildings in NY to do this.


First of all, I wouldn't dream of giving that southern drip so much credit. He barely spoke for the country let alone run it or anything close to an operation like this.

Why would they pick the three largest buildings in NY? - Very obviously to create a very noticeable national disaster. You would have a stronger argument if the buildings were three small, unprotected, obscure buildings.

These were three of the most highly protected buildings in New York. In fact, Dick Cheney even published a report pre-9/11 saying something to the effect of, to justify a new invasion they would need a national disaster on the scale of Pearl Harbour. In fact, the report I believe was even called The New Pearl Harbour.

It's public record, go look it up. Absolutely shocking. And that's exactly what was created. A Pearl Harbour for our times.

Fa-Q wrote:Why would Bush destroy both buildings...why not just one of them, that's enough of an excuse to go to war.


Again, take Bush out of it - The guy is a futile piece of the puzzle, he had no clue what he was doing. Forget Bush, think bigger. From now on I'll assume his name out of the equation.

Okay, you've made an error here - There were THREE buildings destroyed. Very interesting that you, like many think there was only two (the towers) destroyed. There were three. Buildings WTC 1 + 2 = The Twin Towers AND WTC 7.

WTC 7 wasn't hit by a plane and fell in 7 seconds - Free-fall speed. Again, in the exact same fashion - Smooth, symmetrical, straight down to the ground. Absolutely blindingly obvious controlled demolition.

That's why you're not aware of it. Because after day 1, they stopped showing footage of WTC 7 collapsing, because every single news reporter was commenting on how much it looked like it was purposely brought down, how it wasn't hit by a plane. It's the smoking gun.

Now, why would he destroy all THREE? - Firstly, the towers - Because they wanted to create a very memorable national disaster. These two picturesque buildings were staples in American business doings. Absolute modern visions of New York and new-America. Standing right next to each other, towering above all - Taking these two down together would be the perfect disaster to stain in the World's consciousness.

As for WTC 7 - Well, there was actually nobody in this building. But what was in this building was dozens of law suits incriminating many of the Bush Administration and others in numerous Wall Street scandals. So you can bet your bottom dollar they weren't sad to see every particle of that structure and everything inside turn into dust. It irradicated a lot of criminality in seconds.

Then of course - Even more obviously is the money they made from these buildings collapsing. I can't recall he guy's name exactly, but a new leaser of the towers signed a lease just months before 9/11 happened, protecting himself, insurance wise for BILLIONS against terrorist attacks.

Again, this is not my opinion, it's not guesswork - This is public record, a fact, you can go check it out yourself. He became the richest man (literally) in the World, overtaking Gates, when those buildings hit ground zero. They were insured for absolute billions on these structures.

So the only people that profited from these buildings coming down were people inside the Government. Those are just a few reasons, it's really not very hard to find many more, it's glazingly obvious that everybody involved or affected had many separate corrupt agendas.

Fa-Q wrote:Why would Bush put the economy in the toilet in his first year of office. For oil? No one wants oil that bad.


You're trying to downput the capture of a GIGANTIC oil supply as a little thing.

2001 was the beginning of the true economic downturn. Nobody felt the true effect of it until years after but his advisors and economists within the Government and Wall Street would of had a very good idea that shit was about to rain strong.

With that said, creating an absolutely crucial, national tragedy, big enough to automatically justify an illegal invasion and blind people with panic in order to take out Sadam and capture a fucking gigantic supply of oil is by no means something small.

It makes absolute sense, it means continued power and domination for America, for many years to come. With resources ever scarce, it matters very much who's in control over the next 20 years and as per usual, America will be absolutely ruthless in their metholodgy of taking control.

Whilst still pretending to be the good guys.

Fa-Q wrote:Why is there more evidence pointing towards it not being Bush then evidence towards him.


There isn't. Quite clearly you haven't looked at any of the evidence else you'd realize what an absolutely ridiculous statement that is.

You're leading with conclusions based on nothing other than your own assumptions and emotionally-driven, blind trust in Government, totally oblivious to objective facts.

Evidence for controlled demolition is absolutely overwhelming and irrefutable. If you don't think so then you haven't looked at any of it and / or understood it. That's just the Science, just the absolute physics and chemistry which proves beyond reasonable doubt that all three towers were blown up.

As for evidence of the Government being involved - Besides the obvious implication of... Well, these buildings were three of the most highly protected buildings in New York so... The idea that Al-Queda would have access or even have the ability to plant nano-thermite through all three structures is INSANITY. It could of only been the Government.

Again, you're ignoring facts. Fuck what you think they may have done, nano-thermite - That was in all three buildings. You can't just pretend that's not there or sweep it away. That's a fact. It's an explosive used by the military.

Then there is plenty of circumstantial evidence which could easily explain when and how they fitted these structures.

For example... IN order to bring down the Towers or any high-riser built in this manner - You'd have to put explosive chargers on all of the outer steel collum structures okay.

Now, just eight months before 9/11 - A construction company headed by... I believe George Bush's cousin or one of his relatives - Did an unorthodox, random 'elevator rennovation' on the buildings. This went on for months and it was apparently updating of the elevators.

Now, the elevators are all on the outer collum structures. These workspaces were sectioned off and strangely had armed guards covering them, they were unviewable to the public or workers inside. If you were going to do this, these spots are the EXACT places you would need to put the thermite.

Fa-Q wrote:Your foolish to think Bush did it. He has to deal with 3-7 more years of a terrible economy after. If he did it in his last year in office on either term then I could see maybe. People just like to hate on Bush but look what the first black president is doing to our once great country. Ironically the first black president wants to enslave the rest of us.


No, you're absolutely foolish to be coming to your conclusion with obviously, no real investigation on your part.

Blind trust in your Government, absolutely unforgivable stupidity.

Taking down those towers allowed for the following
- A national disaster, big enough to be branded The New Pearl Harbour, which Cheney himself bizarrely said is what America would need, before 9/11, to go to war.

- Blind justification to make unfounded links between Sadam / Al-Queda and 9/11. Nobody questioned it, just a few images of turbaned bad guys on TV and a few papers and the story is sold. Upto 70% of Americans thought Saddam was behind 9/11 immediately after. Not because there was a single scrap of evidence, just because it's easier to believe. Blind belief in media.

- An illegal invasion allowing assassination of a political rival but still, a very very evil man who absolutely should of been taken out in 91.

- Capture of a huge oil supply at the very beginning of what would be assumed to be a huge economic downturn, putting America at the forefront of an essential resource. Control, power, for many years to come at a crucial point in political times.

Also - Before 9/11, Bush had the lowest approval rates in history. He was without doubt one the least respected, most hated presidents thus far and without a disaster like this, of which people would assume he (because of his family links and war history), would be equipped to handle, there's no doubt he would not have survived another term.

9/11 allowed Bush to survive the re-election in 2004 and flush America further down the tube, for another 4 years with his oafish idiocy.

It also made many of his unseen, corrupt buddies very very rich, allowed his family further luxury and continued power and allowed half of the Bill of Rights to be torn up. With the new justifcation of "anti-terrorism", a shit load of human rights were taken away from Americans. Illegal searches, random stops, you fucking name it.

Make no mistake, America profited like a mother fucker from 9/11 and they were absolutely, 100% behind it. Try looking into things before coming to silly conclusions based on nothing.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby MikeNUFC » Apr 7th, '10, 18:52

*adds another EmBase comment to word document entitled "9/11 - Inside Job"*
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Apr 7th, '10, 18:56

But... why does anyone care?
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 7th, '10, 19:04

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:But... why does anyone care?


I find it quite disturbing you should even have to ask that.

That a democratic Government would slaughter 3k of their own citizens to justify an invasion, assassination and econimically-driven capture of oil supply.

If they can do that, they can do anything. I'm from the UK but I'm not as silly to think it doesn't affect me at all. Everything America does affects the entire World, especially the UK.

America went to war, we went to war. It strains the econmy, rises unemployment, puts us at further risk, I mean... The list of issues is on-going and huge. I also care out of principal, I care about the truth and it annoys me as much as my old Religious teachers trying to tell me the World was created in 7 days. No, no it wasn't and I won't have you bullshit me.

It's annoying because they're getting away with it. That's why I care.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Apr 7th, '10, 19:12

But the past is the past, and we can't change it.
Don't you think we need to move forward in lieu of lingering in the past?
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby SajN » Apr 7th, '10, 19:18

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:But the past is the past, and we can't change it.
Don't you think we need to move forward in lieu of lingering in the past?

It's still affecting the world. The Afghanistan war for instance.




I think... No, I know that the goverment had some part in it, whether it was 100% or less, I don't know.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 7th, '10, 19:45

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:But the past is the past, and we can't change it.
Don't you think we need to move forward in lieu of lingering in the past?


No we can't change the past, but we can rectify it somewhat.

The true guilty of 9/11 deserve to be punished before you can move forward.

It's like a family member of yours being murdered, you know the murderer is still out there, a free man - Do you just say "Oh well, let bygones be bygones". No, it would piss you off and you would want the murderer caught.

Plus it's not just about that. Once the TRUTH of 9/11 is revealed, which it will be, they're in the stage of desperation now, just insulting and performing character-defamations on anybody who questions it now - Once it's revealed, it changes EVERYTHING.

Can you imagine the chaos. Not only would nobody trust their own government, quite rightly but it would mean, most likely - A public re-build of how we do things. But, in the long run, much better. It would rip down so many walls of corruption and force us to start almost a-fresh.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby GoodGirlsGetGutted » Apr 7th, '10, 19:47

You're wrong about me.
If someone murdered a family member of mine, I would forgive them.

Actually, I'm really hoping for the downfall of our government.
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Re: 9/11 Conspiracies

Postby EminemBase » Apr 7th, '10, 19:50

GoodGirlsGetGutted wrote:You're wrong about me.
If someone murdered a family member of mine, I would forgive them.

Actually, I'm really hoping for the downfall of our government.


Well then I find you quite bizarre.

I also don't find any element of "love your enemy" or automatic forgiveness moral or right. It's perverse and odd.

You shouldn't love your enemy. You should hate your enemy. Forced, blind love and this... My goodness, such absolute brain poison.
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