Religious Cop Outs

[Spyder]

no one knows how we got here

Except Christians

christians are just like anyone else, they "know" just like everyone else how we got here.
which means they have no idea but they think what they want and everyone else is wrong.

thats why people "believe" because no proof. you dont believe in air, its there

[gutawafang]

not that I wanna create a fight or anything. Plus I won't debate but I will answer Spyder from what I know.

who made god? God.

what was here before the universe if god made it? Just God.

why did it take him seven days to make earth if hes god?
This part is not in Islam.

if he loves everyone why does he hate gays?
He does not hate gays. He does not hate anyone. He even gave the Devil power to influence mankind to join him in hell by not believing in God.

if god forgives all why is there a place like hell?
Cuz ultimately, we go to Heaven. All of us. The gates of Hell will close when the last person finished his punishments in Hell itself. That means, no one can enter hell anymore when that happens. God forgives all because he is fair. He gives chances to people who repent.

why no sex before marriage if we were put her to procreate?
Cuz sex before marriage leads to an unstable relationship. It's like alcohol and beer. It's because people kill under the influence.

why would you go to hell for not believing?
It's about faith. If you have faith in God, then no worries.

why is easter not on a specific day if it was Jesus rising again?
I dunno. xD

To be honest, it's ironic how I know all the answers but I don't do it. I don't pray 5 times a day. I don't go to the mosque. Etc. It's probably because I've read the Quran and I've been taught a lot about being a good Muslim. Idgaf actually. I only think it makes sense that being a good muslim means being a good person because of the rules you're obliged to follow. Well, it is the Devil's plans to make people not believe in God at all since the day he was created from fire. Seems like he's succeeding.

It's just respect you gotta have for people who believe in God. You cannot mock them so much just because you think you're right to believe in yourself only.

But again, I'm not starting a war. Neither do I wanna win this debate. I know I won't because I'm not exactly standing up for God. I'm just thinking why people don't believe when it's proven so many times that the Quran, the words of God, describes a lot about His intentions and our future.

[momentsgolden]

if god forgives all why is there a place like hell?
Cuz ultimately, we go to Heaven. All of us. The gates of Hell will close when the last person finished his punishments in Hell itself. That means, no one can enter hell anymore when that happens. God forgives all because he is fair. He gives chances to people who repent.

Golden statement.

[M15HKA]

If satan/hell is where you go if you are bad on earth then why the hell would satan punish you for being bad would he not reward you?

[gutawafang]

If satan/hell is where you go if you are bad on earth then why the hell would satan punish you for being bad would he not reward you?

Slight misconception. It is not Satan that punishes you. It is creatures created by God that punish you. For example, when you lie on Earth, your tongue is cut. If you masturbate a lot, your fingers will give birth. We cannot ask how because it is God's power to decide what He wants to happen to us. Satan can't reward us. Satan will only laugh or smile in victory of influencing us to do bad things on planet Earth. The thing is, we refuse to believe Satan doesn't exist and hence God doesn't exist too, and that was EXACTLY what God wanted to test us for. Whether we will follow in Satan's footsteps or not depends on how much faith we have in God. That's why prayers mark that faith.

I'm talking in terms of what I know. I don't plan to win the debate. It's like Poker. And I have double 2 in my hand. If a 2 comes out in the flop, I win double aces and double kings.

[Emadyville]

I'm somewhere between agnostic and an athiest, I still don't even know exactly what I think with this shit anymore

But what bothers me the most is the whole "if you believe you can go to heaven, but if not you burn in hell for all eternity...yet god loves us" which is basically george carlins stand-up but its how I feel lol

[GenePeer]

"Religion is good for you whether there is a God or not, if there is a God than by simply following religion you'll get into heaven & won't have to worry about Hell. Even if there isn't a God religion helps you live a good, moral life. So by believing in God you win either way"

This is the equivalent of me stealing your car (like how religion steals your freedom) & putting in my garage, then telling you that I have an invisible lion in there so it'll be good for you to not go in either way. If I do have a lion in there you're going to get your head bitten off trying to get the car back so it's best if you just don't go in. Now even if I don't have an invisible lion in there you don't have to worry about paying for gas or maintenance, you won't be harming the environment with your driving & you'll get good exercise having to walk or bike everywhere from now on. Basically pointing out a few small pros & to hide the huge cons (even disguising cons as pros by describing them a certain way)

That's Pascal's Wager. The idea is you have everything to gain but nothing to lose. Which freedom are you losing? Freedom to kill, you already have that taken from you by society. Freedom to steal? Same thing. Freedom of speech? You still have that.

To echo Emadyville, there's a flaw in the whole hell/heaven thing. According to the Bible, God loves us even more than our mothers can (means something if you don't have a fucked-up family). I know for certain my mother would never punish me for anything by pouring boiling oil/water on me, even on just a finger. Now I'm supposed to believe that someone who loves me more than her will hurt me more (hell) for eternity? Bullshit! But why do be religious? It gives hope? Having something to look forward to will be one's fuel to success, not necessarily fame and wealth but simply a good life. It will probably save someone from committing suicide when their life goes down the drain. There is plenty to gain in this life ignoring the after-life! And don't get me wrong, religion isn't the only source of hope, but like I said you have nothing to lose from joining it and adding one more source to your list. I've given you a reason to join, so why not? Please don't just say something as vague as "loss of freedom", elaborate!

[gutawafang]

That's Pascal's Wager. The idea is you have everything to gain but nothing to lose.

Sometimes, people tend to believe certain things created by humans more than things created by God. Humans tend to forget God created their brains to think that way. But God NEVER made us forget He exists.

Which freedom are you losing? Freedom to kill, you already have that taken from you by society. Freedom to steal? Same thing. Freedom of speech? You still have that.

Yes, but not when you're questioned by God. Freedom of whatever thing on Earth, does not grant you the key to Heaven.

To echo Emadyville, there's a flaw in the whole hell/heaven thing. According to the Bible, God loves us even more than our mothers can (means something if you don't have a fucked-up family).

You're saying if your family isn't fucked up, it's impossible for God to love you more. But remember, there's a reason why He is called God. It's because He is capable of anything in the world, including making a woman give birth to an elephant. What you're doing now is doubting God, which makes the entire Satan race applaud in success.

I know for certain my mother would never punish me for anything by pouring boiling oil/water on me, even on just a finger.

Of course. Your mother loves you. But you have no idea how much more God loves you.

Now I'm supposed to believe that someone who loves me more than her will hurt me more (hell) for eternity? Bullshit!

It's bullshit cuz you doubt God. Don't trust me, you will not win a debate with God. God isn't someone. God is God. Not a human.

But why do be religious? It gives hope? Having something to look forward to will be one's fuel to success, not necessarily fame and wealth but simply a good life. It will probably save someone from committing suicide when their life goes down the drain.

Not just hope. It guides a person. A person changes for the better the closer he is to God.

There is plenty to gain in this life ignoring the after-life!

Of course. However, life on Earth is just temporary. A test for humans to endure to see if Satan will win God. But ya know God will win for He created Satan.

And don't get me wrong, religion isn't the only source of hope, but like I said you have nothing to lose from joining it and adding one more source to your list. I've given you a reason to join, so why not?

It's not just a reason. It is common sense. Who created you if not God?

[gutawafang]

Saying God can't be real cause something had to make him argument is stupid because if that logic was true than the universe can't be real cause something had to make that. I'm pretty sure that Athiests and Christians can both agree that no one has any fucking clue how the first thing was made and why there is anything at all.

From what I know... from what I know...

God only had Heaven full of Angels worshipping him. Then God created Adam and Eve from clay out of the core of the Earth. Some angels were not happy. They became Satan.

The first success by Satan was making Adam eat the apple from Eden. Satan was the one who challenged God that he will make everyone on Earth follow his commands instead of God's.

[Unscarred]

God only had Heaven full of Angels worshipping him. Then God created Adam and Eve from clay out of the core of the Earth. Some angels were not happy. They became Satan.

The first success by Satan was making Adam eat the apple from Eden. Satan was the one who challenged God that he will make everyone on Earth follow his commands instead of God's.

Hello, my name is jesus. I love you deeply. i have loved you since you were conceived in the womb and I will love you for all eternity.I died for you on the cross because i love you so much. I long to have a loving personal relationship with you. I will answer all of your prayers through my love.

But if you do not get down on your knees and worship me, and if you do not EAT MY BODY and DRINK MY BLOOD, then I WILL INCINERATE YOU WITH UNIMAGINABLY TORTUOUS PAIN IN THE FIRES OF HELL ALL ETERNITY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPOfurmr ... dded#at=58

[GenePeer]

To echo Emadyville, there's a flaw in the whole hell/heaven thing. According to the Bible, God loves us even more than our mothers can (means something if you don't have a fucked-up family).

You're saying if your family isn't fucked up, it's impossible for God to love you more.

Damn, you completely misunderstood what I said there. I meant that, saying "God loves us even more than our mothers can" means something if you don't have a fucked-up family. Telling someone who gets molested by their mum that God loves them more than she does won't really mean anything. In a fucked-up family, a mother's love is probably in-existent.

It's not just a reason. It is common sense. Who created you if not God?

You know that isn't the best way to go about convincing someone to join Christianity or any other religion. Ok, fine someone created me! If not God, then who? Ehh, maybe Allah or Zeus or another higher entity that's too big to really give a shit what microscopic specks in the universe do with their time. Since you'll reply to "who created God then?" with God! Here's another possibility, what if we were Gods and we simply created ourselves? Isn't that along the lines of Buddhism or something? So no, it's not common sense... Anything/anyone could have created us, not necessarily the God talked about in the bible.

So it still comes down to, I've seen the ups of joining a religion and no downs. That's how I ended up being a (semi-)Christian. I call myself semi since

1. I don't believe in heaven/hell since it contradicts the fundamentals of having an all caring & loving God.
2. I don't think Christianity is the "right" religion (Back to that later). So I can't "Spread The Word" like I'm required to.

small additions:
- I see nothing wrong with drinking if you it's kept under control.
- I'm not against premarital sex if the people are willing to face any consequences (STDs, Baby, etc).

So to clarify, I believe in religion; be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Satanism, etc... So long as you are comfortable with it. Why did I choose Christianity? Simple, my parents are Christian so it's the first religion I got introduced to. If there comes a time when it's no longer helping me with life and getting harder to believe, I will convert to a religion more suitable.

[momentsgolden]

^ You are a church-goer, not Christian. #justsayin

[GenePeer]

^ You are a church-goer, not Christian. #justsayin

I don't go to church...

[momentsgolden]

^ You are a church-goer, not Christian. #justsayin

I don't go to church...

Why did I choose Christianity? Simple, my parents are Christian so it's the first religion I got introduced to. If there comes a time when it's no longer helping me with life and getting harder to believe, I will convert to a religion more suitable.

Assumed it meant you do

[gutawafang]

It's not just a reason. It is common sense. Who created you if not God?

You know that isn't the best way to go about convincing someone to join Christianity or any other religion. Ok, fine someone created me! If not God, then who? Ehh, maybe Allah or Zeus or another higher entity that's too big to really give a shit what microscopic specks in the universe do with their time. Since you'll reply to "who created God then?" with God! Here's another possibility, what if we were Gods and we simply created ourselves? Isn't that along the lines of Buddhism or something? So no, it's not common sense... Anything/anyone could have created us, not necessarily the God talked about in the bible.

So it still comes down to, I've seen the ups of joining a religion and no downs. That's how I ended up being a (semi-)Christian. I call myself semi since

1. I don't believe in heaven/hell since it contradicts the fundamentals of having an all caring & loving God.
2. I don't think Christianity is the "right" religion (Back to that later). So I can't "Spread The Word" like I'm required to.

small additions:
- I see nothing wrong with drinking if you it's kept under control.
- I'm not against premarital sex if the people are willing to face any consequences (STDs, Baby, etc).

So to clarify, I believe in religion; be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, Satanism, etc... So long as you are comfortable with it. Why did I choose Christianity? Simple, my parents are Christian so it's the first religion I got introduced to. If there comes a time when it's no longer helping me with life and getting harder to believe, I will convert to a religion more suitable.

It's because of opinions like this that cause you to sway from your faith in God. The point is, God cannot be questioned because we don't know a lot of things. We simply got to believe because it is simply the truth and nothing else.

There's also something people call, "times". Times have changed, then what? Are we gonna change our practices of faith in God too? God created time to test us of our faith in Him. He's just testing us to see if the Devil can influence us into thinking these so called opinions that God don't exist.

Of course, as I said, I don't plan to win this debate. I'm simply stating what exactly I know about God. God created humans. Humans created science. In fact, God created science for humans to live comfortably. We should never say we're cleverer than God. We should never win God because He is the greatest of all.