Gay Marches

[Guess_Who]

I don't want to set more fire here....but I came to a conclusion, I have 2 questions for the people :

a/ Do you think gays have a mental disorder ?

b/ Do you think gays should have the same rights than straight people?


I think we will never agree. Because of those 2 points ^^ And the arguments here are more and more heated. So for me it's a game over. I just will answer my 2 questions.

For me gays have no mental disorder, are just 2 people in a relation where 2 parts agree and nobody gets hurt, and is morally right, therefore they deserve the same rights than the rest of the world and while they are still discriminated the gay marches are a way to claim for their rights.

[Fleka]

-You established nothing.
-Read my last two posts again.

We have different opinions. That`s ok, I respect yours. But you twist my words, and you go all "I establish what is relevant for this topic", and you don`t even see my point.

[MikeNUFC]

This'll be my last post as I need to go out.

I do see what your point is. Your point is 'If neither homosexuality or paedophilia are a choice, if one gets rights, then why shouldn't the other?'

The problem you seem to be totally missing is that one is morally and legally wrong. The other isn't.

[the real slim shady]

I don't want to set more fire here....but I came to a conclusion, I have 2 questions for the people :

a/ Do you think gays have a mental disorder ?

b/ Do you think gays should have the same rights than straight people?


I think we will never agree. Because of those 2 points ^^ And the arguments here are more and more heated. So for me it's a game over. I just will answer my 2 questions.

For me gays have no mental disorder, are just 2 people in a relation where 2 parts agree and nobody gets hurt, and is morally right, therefore they deserve the same rights than the rest of the world and while they are still discriminated the gay marches are a way to claim for their rights.

i think they are just people. Like i am attracted to females, they are attracted to males. Doesnt really make a difference.

inb4someonecomingout

i thought you and emma had already?

I bet gays and lesbians are not the same for you

no i dont really care... im not one of the people that watches lesbians or anything so dont go thinking that alex

[Alex2012]

I bet gays and lesbians are not the same for you

no i dont really care... im not one of the people that watches lesbians or anything so dont go thinking that alex

so young so liar

[Fleka]

No, you said homosexuality is not wrong because it`s not a choice. I just said that pedophilia is also not a choice. So, by your logic-pedo is ok.

Gay marches are pressure aimed at the public to accept them. The same pressure that others can use. Pedophiles, in my example. And that Wiki articles showed you that pedophilia is not far from being legal (public organisation, lawyers, supporters...), and you can read there that the organisation was inspired by gay rights organization.

If I meet a gay person, we could be friends. I could never be a friend to a pedophile. But this gay marches are making a path for people like that in our community as equals.

I like this debate, you put up quite a fight.

[Guess_Who]

I have to go too, but can you answer my 2 questions please.

a/ Do you think gays have a mental disorder ?

b/ Do you think gays should have the same rights than straight people?

[Fleka]

I have to go too, but can you answer my 2 questions please.

a/ Do you think gays have a mental disorder ?

b/ Do you think gays should have the same rights than straight people?

a) I would say it`s genetic.
b) I do. I think the world is not yet ready and not educated well enough. Adopting might be a problem, but if the society evolves, that problem will vanish.

[the real slim shady]

I bet gays and lesbians are not the same for you

no i dont really care... im not one of the people that watches lesbians or anything so dont go thinking that alex

so young so liar

its true maybe if you and EGG were lesbians then i would think differently
but no seriously i dont get lesbian porn or anything like that, and i dont really see them as different to gay guys... apart from the lack of a certain appendage. And the addition of two others.

I bet when you translate that last line you wont understand it

[the real slim shady]

there are lots of homosexual animals

[dead prez]

When was the last time I killed someone it felt like it's been years.

[dead prez]

there are lots of homosexual animals

prove it (and again, hermaphrodites like snails don't count)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... lack_swans

You really don't know what you're talking about, when a simple wikipedia search shuts you up.

[the real slim shady]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual ... in_animals scroll to the contents bit and it will show some species that are known for being homosexual or the like.
If you want a more specific example, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wildli ... orset.html .

[dead prez]

This are my random thoughts about this matter I wrote a few days ago. It was just a train of thoughts.

Gay couple wants a baby, ok, when there will be a way for two dudes to get a baby in a
natural way-let them have one. Let the dude get pregnant in a lab if the other one shoots blanks.
Our society is not yet ready for gay people having kids.

This isn't sci-fi so this ridiculous scenario will never happen, and why should they abide by your arbitrary systematic laws of nature, as if there's an authority at hand. Please type me a dissertation on your natural human made energy harnessing machine about why unnatural things are flawed?

That kid would go through hell in school.
Just look how fat kids, kids that wear glasses or any kid that is a bit different get bullyed in school.
The kid with two moms or two dads would get destroyed. And it would be difficult for a kid to grow influenced
by something that probably isn`t in his/hers nature.

So? That's not the gay couples damn faults or problems that a bunch of retarded little children aren't taught by their parents not to be homophobic. You're not actually making a worthwhile argument other than acting like a creepy universal older big brother figure thinking that restricting the rights of others is "protecting" them. You disgust me.

There is no law that forbids you to be gay, and that should be enough, for now.

Maybe in your resident shithole where gays are openly lambasted, but in otherwise developed an dfirst world countries (America!) we actually on our progress to legalizing gay marriages in a ton of states, I mean nigga do you even know all the states currently legalizing it?

Untill the world and society evolve.

It is your backwards ass way of thinking however isn't

I think the gays should have the right to get married, but that goes against the religion

Who cares? And if you live in a secular country this shouldn't matter.

and aginst the
fucking human nature and evolution.

First off you're making a horrible appeal to nature fallacy and should be slapped for making it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature

ANYONE WHO ARGUES AGAINST GAYS GETTING MARRIED OR HAVING CHILDREN BECAUSE IT'S UNNATURAL READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE AND STOPPED BEING NEANDERTHALS BY MAKING JUVENILE ARGUING TACTICS.

But let's say I play your game is condoms not unnatural? Is the fucking computer you're using not unnatural? What gives you the right to arbitrarily label things as natural and unnatural. Also acting against their very nature, or how they feel would be unnatural to them, so boom there goes your argument.

If they get the rights to do whatever they want, where it will end.

Slippery slope fallacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

Really almost all your points can be countered by pointing out the fallacy you're making, I'm making easy money on you.

Where will we draw the line of whats right and whats wrong?

Gee how about when the rights of others start to infringe on other people's rights and privacy?

Why wouldn`t pedophiles be next to march? If a 8 year old girl wants to have 45 year old boyfriend, why not? How is that worse and more unnatural than a man fucking another man?

Because one kids are very impressionable and don't know any better, I'm not saying they're stupid. But it's very easy for a sleazeball to capitalize on such laws and merely argue that "She was asking for it!"/

Why wouldn`t people that like to fuck animals have rights? Maybe the animals like it.

Holy fuck no it's fucking animal abuse you disgusting human being, the fact that you're comparing them to zoophiles and pedos is homophobic in and of itself.

If a dude likes a pig, let him stick it up her ass and see if the pig likes it. It`s a free world, everybody has a right to be free and act the way he or she wants to act. It`s as natural as two guys or two chicks having sex.

There's a difference between having two consensual adults allowing one to ram him in the ass, and some dirty hick sneaking up on an unsuspecting animal and shoving his dick up that animal's rectum. Maybe because gee the ANIMALS CAN'T CONSENT. Why you can't understand this little fundamental difference that separates gays from pedos and zoophiles is really well kinda sad and kinda funny.

Maybe some of the stuff I wrote is too extreme, but I just used all of that as an example. The society has set limits and boundaries of what is acceptable. Why would incest be ok then?
Let the people that like to fuck their fmily march and have rights.

You're really dumb aren't you? Maybe it's because mor often than not the child of said parents turns out to be clinically retarded, like you are. Maybe you're an inbred, that's the only reason can I possibly see you believe half the shit you keep spewing from your piehole and into my monitor.

Why wouldn`t brother marry a sister, or brother? If they feel like it, than it`s ok.

This one's a bit trickier, yeah if they have a way to have sex without possibly getting a retarded hick baby than I guess. Why you'd want that in the first place is well damn creepy, and stop with these erronous false analogies ( another logical fallacy) that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Like I said, I would let gay couples get married.
Gay people need to be protected from all kinds od discrimination
(Not able to find work, immigration status... all the stuff Abram said).
But the part where they adopt a baby is more delicate.

I will concede that yes this is something that should be handled with more care as they're actually involving other people into their lives, but since being gay isn't a choice and your born gay. I don't see what the big deal? You're argument that kids are mean and like to pick on children of gay parents is cutting it, that's something that other people need to get over. And I'm sure living in an orphanage is much better than living in a stable household with two parents that actually give a damn about you with their only "flaw" in your eyes is being "gay". /sarcasm

Like I already said, marches have a purpose to make gay population look like the victims.

They are and as long homophobic people out there continue to treat them like subhuman freak they will stay relevant. Maybe in 40 or so years when the world (America! and other first world countries) accept them with gay marriage being legalized than it'll have outstayed it's welcome. But for now they are an absolute necessity.

There will always be people that will throw a rock or beat up a few gays while they are marching.
Than they go crazy all over the media and we will get to a piont where you will have to do
anything a gay asks you to do or else you get sued for being homophobic.

I've refuted this retarded argument a million times, hey maybe instead of telling the victims to be quiet and stop being such rabble rousers we should be invoking fear in the absolute wastes of flesh who mock and make other people's lives a living hell just because they happen to take in the rear.

Human nature is taking things too far. Gays will go from no rights to do-whatever-they-want
in a blink of an eye.

Fish in a barrel

Let them adopt, and normal couples will have no chance if they want the same baby
that gay couple wants. Are you giving the baby to that other couple because we`re gay?

How about the "normal" couple stop being paranoid schmucks and not treat this like a special form of reverse racism, such as being heterophobic (LOL).

"I mean say what Nigga, you givin that child to a gay couple? unacceptable!"

[dead prez]

No, you said homosexuality is not wrong because it`s not a choice. I just said that pedophilia is also not a choice. So, by your logic-pedo is ok.

ARE YOU THIS FUCKING DENSE? Yeah you might have a point but guess what Pedophilia inflicts harms on other fucking susceptible kids. By setting an age of consent we're protecting them from sleazeballs in trying to take advantage of them at such an impressionable age, whether you feel the age of consent should be lowered is another argument and isn't something that's worth arguing here. Adult homosexuals are not impressionable and can most importantly consent, their goes your argument.

Gay marches are pressure aimed at the public to accept them.

Because they're being discriminated against for no goddamn good reason.

The same pressure that others can use. Pedophiles, in my example. And that Wiki articles showed you that pedophilia is not far from being legal (public organisation, lawyers, supporters...), and you can read there that the organisation was inspired by gay rights organization.

Are you a pedophile or something? Your constant comparison between gays and pedos is disturbing to say the least, and so what. Because one group of people use it wrongly that means we should ban it. Guess we should ban burqas too because some women are forced into them, and not all muslim women who wear burqas do it by choice? /sarcasm

By the way I don't like burqas and think it's an outdated cultural artifact that demeans both genders but I'm not some extremist tard who will legislate against it because some people use it wrongly.

If I meet a gay person, we could be friends. I could never be a friend to a pedophile. But this gay marches are making a path for people like that in our community as equals.

I like this debate, you put up quite a fight.

You were quite easy to dismantle actually.