Freewill debate.

[CrashBand]

Would like to hear people's opinions.

Which position in the free will debate (libertarianism, determinism, indeterminism) is most plausible and why?

And is determinism compatible with free will?

In layman's terms do you think we have free will? and do you think free will is compatible with a deterministic world?

Wouldn't mind hearing Eminembase delve into the subject.

[Devil'sAdvocate]

we dont have free will,because we are all followers naturally.

[CrashBand]

No one has any views on it then?

[SliK]

Man I'm not about to write a fucking essay to properly cover the topic. Just be patient, EmBase will see it eventually.

[CrashBand]

Wish it was still a daily name search like in the forum's active days.

[EminemBase]

This is definitely an interesting discussion that I've thought a lot about over the years, and particularly honed in on and struggled with in the past year especially; will add my own thoughts to this discussion soon.

[CrashBand]

^Looking forward to it.

[classthe_king]

I 100% believe that we have freewill and think the B.F. Skinner approach that we're just rats in a cage and don't make any of our own choices is completely wrong and will forever argue against it.

[CrashBand]

^ Free will is an illusion tbh.

[Eedee]

Are we talking about a world with or without God? Obviously the God I'm talking about is hypothetical here.

But with God (again, if he exists), then no.

Without God, then I really don't know. Perhaps. I haven't really researched it much. But I do that if God exists, then we don't.

[SliK]

...

But with God (again, if he exists), then no.

... But I do that if God exists, then we don't.

Why are you assuming, if there is a God, that it must control everything? Just because religion says it is omnipotent and omniscient doesn't mean that only one of the two following is possible: that God either exists and IS as religions claim or that it doesn't exist at all... It means that there could be a God, there could be no God, there could be multiple gods, and they could all be EXTREMELY, uncomprehensibly powerful... and still not omnipotent. Or any other number of examples that would mean there is a God, but one that is NOT in line with any religion... and therefor not capable of or interested in controlling every move. Maybe there is an omnipotent and omniscient God that has granted us all free will. After all, if he is omnipotent as religions claim, he can do anything.

So to say what you just said is incorrect.

Anyway, it's much more interesting to explore this concept on a psychological and social level, rather than a religious one.

[classthe_king]

^ Free will is an illusion tbh.

No it's not.

[CrashBand]

^ Free will is an illusion tbh.

No it's not.

Lol. Go on..

How do we have free will?

[classthe_king]

^ Free will is an illusion tbh.

No it's not.

Lol. Go on..

How do we have free will?

How do we not have free will? We can do anything we want all the time. Of course because of the way our society is set up you SHOULD get a job and eduction to make money but that doesn't mean you HAVE to. And you have the free will to go about that anyway possible. You SHOULDN'T go around murdering everyone but you can if you WANT to.

Einstein thought the universe was deterministic, what you eat for lunch ten years from now has already been decided, but Einstein was wrong. Quantum physics shows that at the quantum level everything is completely random. You have no idea where the electrons are, it could be anywhere at anytime and jumps all over. This brings in variance and unpredictability and therefore leads to freewill.

[CrashBand]

How do we not have free will? We can do anything we want all the time. Of course because of the way our society is set up you SHOULD get a job and eduction to make money but that doesn't mean you HAVE to. And you have the free will to go about that anyway possible.

No we can't. We aren't free to do anything possible. We are confined to the laws of physics.

We can take different paths and choices but they are all subject to the laws of physics and the state of the universe. If we cannot change the laws of physics or the state of the universe then we are not truly free to do anything possible, are we champ?

Einstein thought the universe was deterministic, what you eat for lunch ten years from now has already been decided, but Einstein was wrong. Quantum physics shows that at the quantum level everything is completely random. You have no idea where the electrons are, it could be anywhere at anytime and jumps all over. This brings in variance and unpredictability and therefore leads to freewill.

Um no, not at all. An indeterminstic world gives no more room for free will than a determinsitic world. It certainly doesn't "lead to free will".