Freewill debate.

[Willy]

Not necessarily because from my understanding quantum physics has true randomness.

[classthe_king]

No, that's exactly the case. Me posting that had it's reasons. And those reasons had their reasons. Which again had their reasons, and this goes way back to the birth of the universe.
Think of it like this. If you could go back in time, let's say 200 years and just waited 200 years until it's present day (you dont die for some reason) wouldnt everything happen exactly as it did? Let's say you dont change anything you just observe. Then when in present day you go back in time 200 years again, and do the same thing. And again and again etc. Wouldnt everything happen exactly like it happened, every time?

No that's wrong.

[Unlyricallyrics]

Not necessarily because from my understanding quantum physics has true randomness.

probability

No that's wrong.

Yet if stuff happens it was bound to happen otherwise it hadnt happened.
This might mean however that even if we knew everything in the world and all the causalities possible we still couldnt predict what happens next. And im not physicist or anything but one could think that quantum physics is also under some laws of physics. We just dont know enough of that yet. I mean it's hard to understand how something could happen coincidentally because what is coincidence and what defines when or how it happens.

[classthe_king]

Yet if stuff happens it was bound to happen otherwise it hadnt happened.
This might mean however that even if we knew everything in the world and all the causalities possible we still couldnt predict what happens next. And im not physicist or anything but one could think that quantum physics is also under some laws of physics. We just dont know enough of that yet. I mean it's hard to understand how something could happen coincidentally because what is coincidence and what defines when or how it happens.

Things weren't bound to happen though. At the quantum level everything is random and unpredictable so if the universe started all over again things might happen differently because at the quantum level particles acted differently then they did the first time.

[Unlyricallyrics]

Things weren't bound to happen though. At the quantum level everything is random and unpredictable so if the universe started all over again things might happen differently because at the quantum level particles acted differently then they did the first time.

Ok, how about this.
There is infinite amount of different universes (multiverse). Therefore this what we have here was bound to happen in one of those universe cos there is finite amount of possibilities but infinite amount of universes.

[classthe_king]

Things weren't bound to happen though. At the quantum level everything is random and unpredictable so if the universe started all over again things might happen differently because at the quantum level particles acted differently then they did the first time.

Ok, how about this.
There is infinite amount of different universes (multiverse). Therefore this what we have here was bound to happen in one of those universe cos there is finite amount of possibilities but infinite amount of universes.

If there are infinite amount of universes, then yes, that would be correct.

[Unlyricallyrics]

If there are infinite amount of universes, then yes, that would be correct.

And even if there werent multiple universes, quantum physics wouldnt grant as freewill like the video you linked suggested.
(just getting this thread back on topic )
It's actually the top comment:
"Still what Kaku described, is not free will. Its by chance and not by choice, where the electron is."

[classthe_king]

If there are infinite amount of universes, then yes, that would be correct.

And even if there werent multiple universes, quantum physics wouldnt grant as freewill like the video you linked suggested.
(just getting this thread back on topic )
It's actually the top comment:
"Still what Kaku described, is not free will. Its by chance and not by choice, where the electron is."

I know it doesn't prove free will right but it does prove determinism wrong.

[Emadyville]

No, you're wrong. Free will is, “a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives."

Of course we can't do anything we want because we're limited by our bodies but that has nothing to do with free will. You're just arguing semantics and being a prick. According to that definition we absolutely have free will because we have a plethora of choices we can make all the time through out our lives and we have the free will to make those choices. That's it.

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[CrashBand]

No, you're wrong. Free will is, “a philosophical term of art for a particular sort of capacity of rational agents to choose a course of action from among various alternatives."

Of course we can't do anything we want because we're limited by our bodies but that has nothing to do with free will. You're just arguing semantics and being a prick. According to that definition we absolutely have free will because we have a plethora of choices we can make all the time through out our lives and we have the free will to make those choices. That's it.

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No.

[Doodlebug]

I stand behind those that have integrity, honor and good unselfish intentions.

Sometimes, doing this means doing things things we might regret later - but we do what we must for the greater good.

I'd like to say we have freewill but we all know that we are restrained by law or policy or even by persons that hold sway over us some how.

[classthe_king]

Alright so I've been thinking about this a lot and this is the conclusion I've come to:

You have to decide what defines "you." Since we are all logical and rational we can just agree that we don't have a soul so what left is there to say is "you?" Only your brain. Now I understand what you are saying with outside influences and shit like that but those only influence your decisions, they don't make them. Also, I understand what you're saying with you can't decide what your brain decides to think and whatnot, but the fact is you can. Because you ARE your brain. You say you can't control what you think but what is doing the thinking? Your brain. You are your brain therefore you are controlling your thoughts. That is how we have freewill.

[SliK]

Really, you control your heart beat? You control how much insulin you make? You control how much you salivate?
No.
Thoughts occurring are no different to your heart beating or your mouth salivating.. You can't control it.

[classthe_king]

Really, you control your heart beat? You control how much insulin you make? You control how much you salivate?
No.
Thoughts occurring are no different to your heart beating or your mouth salivating.. You can't control it.

Yes, you control them. Your brain just does it without you having to think about it but it's still you who is controlling them.

[SliK]

Thoughts are a product of your brain the same way adrenaline is a product of your adrenal glad; you have no control over either.