Is this wrong?

[SliK]

Well I will do more of my own research and talk to people about it as I am starting to have an open mind that people may be born gay.

That's good, I am not ruling out environmental factors completely either. Obviously there is no conclusive evidence that points to one thing as the sole cause of homosexuality. But I think it is a good idea to keep an open mind on such issues.

@class your new sig made me lol

[Spyder]

@ray, i said basically born gay.

like slik said they could either try dating women because thats what the norm is, and dont want to be ridiculed.
or (which is kinda iffy) be driven gay by relationships not working out and being hated and awkward with women.

but yeah its definitely a born attraction

[classthe_king]

Sure they may be evidence to support it but if it was 100% accurate than the whole World would have no choice but too accept it as a fact and believe it, every single person knows that cigarettes are bad for your health and that's a fact and no one will debate otherwise.

This is terrible logic. There are tons of things that are 100% accurate that people don't accept.

[classthe_king]

I don't care if people think like that. The good thing about science is that it's true whether you believe it or not.


Honestly the only argument you could make is that the gene/genes for homosexuality can be turned on/off by environmental factors but there is no reason to believe that is the case and even if it was, homosexuals still would have no choice in the matter.

[SliK]

I think it's as common as 10% but no matter how you look at it, we aren't "supposed to" be attracted to the same sex. We find the opposite sex attractive so that we can reproduce and ensure the survival of our species.

I would say that it is an "abnormality", but not that it is wrong.

[BigBoss]

She shouldn't have to worry about being infertile because she wants a child of her own?
lel

[UofLCard]

It sucks being a girl sometimes.

[Just Silver]

i think its still wrong but whatever lol its just at the age he did it made it weird

[Emadyville]

this is just stupid diagnosing this at 3. i mean, i think as a society of people we are being too jumpy with this shit. i wish it were the old days where the kid would just be a boy then a man and deal with it...like a man

[Eminemeatinm&m]

World's getting worse everyday.

A man born man HAS to act and be a man, A girl born girl has to be a girl.

If it's not like that, there will be more aberrations like that guy in the vid and gays in the world.

[EmTV]

Most people in this thread sound so damn ignorant.

If they accept that she's a girl, and she, TO THIS DAY, accepts it, then who gives a shit? I already accept that she's a girl.

fuck.

[CanadaPure]

The whole transgender thing is actually really interesting when you think about it. I don't care if someone as an adult decides they want to have a sex change, as long as they don't hide the fact that they're transgender. Mainly because I don't think it's fair to lead someone on to the fact that you're male/female, when really all you've done is change your body aesthetically and taken hormones. If you're open about the fact that you're trans, then whatever. I'm not going to be forced to sleep with or be around you, so I don't really care.

However, I disagree with doing this with a child. It should be their choice when they reach adulthood, not the decision of the parents because of a pseudo-disorder diagnosed by psychiatrists.

There was one case we learned about in a psychology course where there were twins, both boys. They messed up the circumcision on one of the boys after birth, so the parents and doctors decided to go with a sex change (they built a vagina if I recall correctly) and raise him as a girl. His twin brother was still a boy. They eventually told him/her and when he/she reached adulthood, he/she killed his/herself because it's not what they wanted out of life.

So pretty much, this is something I can't support because it's to a child. If it was a consenting adult and they were open about it I wouldn't care. I just don't agree with decisions like this being made for children by the parents or by a not mentally developed youth.

[AbramIsaac]

They messed up the circumcision on one of the boys after birth, so the parents and doctors decided to go with a sex change (they built a vagina if I recall correctly) and raise him as a girl.

Not to discount the rest of your post, which was completely valid and pertinent to the discussion...but...

Jesus Christ, that makes me wonder how many times some drunk asshole has cut some poor baby's dick off while performing a circumcision.

[Amaranthine]

CP, I learned about that in my psych class, too.

[CanadaPure]

They messed up the circumcision on one of the boys after birth, so the parents and doctors decided to go with a sex change (they built a vagina if I recall correctly) and raise him as a girl.

Not to discount the rest of your post, which was completely valid and pertinent to the discussion...but...

Jesus Christ, that makes me wonder how many times some drunk asshole has cut some poor baby's dick off while performing a circumcision.

It's actually not that high of a rate. Excessive bleeding even only occurs in something like 1 in 1000. Even though I'm uncut, I wouldn't say it's really that risky. This was a freak accident.

CP, I learned about that in my psych class, too.

As much as it was sad, the psychological side of it was really interesting. Glad I'm not the only one who had a professor who liked to talk about mutilated penises (penii?)