Intelligence (Definition, IQ tests, Importance)

[unmissingpiece]

How would you define intelligence? Logic, creativity, abstract thought? Do you think intelligence has more correlation with nature or nurture? How accurate do you think IQ tests are?

[ladelsofgravy]

IQ tests, in some way, measure overall intelligence but they are still domain knowledge. This is, in the same way, that winning a game of chess measures overall intelligence in some ways but is still domain knowledge.

[CrashBand]

SWA implying that people wrongly discredit the accuracy of an IQ test due to scoring low, when he himself is wrongly crediting the accuracy because he scored (relatively) high.

[unmissingpiece]

Well, for me, I want to believe that IQ tests are accurate and all, because I was in the gifted program in elementary school. But the more I read into in, the more flawed the tests seem to be. I know a lot of really intelligent, well-rounded people who haven't been identified as "gifted," and many more who are far more articulate than I could ever be.

Do you think IQ changes overtime? Different studies have different results.

[CrashBand]

I wasn't being serious, lol.

[SliK]

IQ tests are fine, the WISC and the WAIS are great for measuring developmental milestones and how children and aldults compare against their peers. There are many different intelligence tests though to measure certain aspects of intelligence.

[Hadez]

I think a lot of people mistake intelligence for educated. I know a guy that can remember a lot of information. He can absorb knowledge. But it boils down to just him being educated. He has the information, but cannot really utilize it. He doesn't have an answer for "Knowing what I know, what does this mean? What can I get from this?"

Having "knowledge" is all well and good, until it comes time to apply it to something and you can't. To me, that's when "intelligent" people come in. I've found in my life that the people I've met that I consider intelligent aren't necessarily the most "educated." Instead, the people who can apply logic to what information they DO have to come to a conclusion. So, I guess in a way you can say intelligent people better apply their experience to their unknowns.

I'll give a sample scenario to explain what I mean.
Person A is "knowledgeable" but not necessarily intelligent.
Person B is less knowledgeable but more "intelligent" than person A.

Person A is carrying a large wooden board on his shoulder, perpendicular to his body. However, it keeps falling off. He is taking physics in school and memorized the info. He knows that he needs to counter the weight of the board to get it to "balance" itself out on his shoulder. So, he has more of the board sticking out in front of him than in the back. The board will fall forward because gravity is pulling the longer "side" down. So, he uses his strength to lift against gravity to keep it up. The board is dropping because he's using his arms to hold the board up and they became fatigued.

Person B is given the same board to hold on his shoulder. He hasn't taken physics. However, by seeing how the board "reacts" to different lengths (forward or back) he deduces that he must counter gravity. What he does is has more sticking out behind him than in front. Gravity wants to pull the wood down behind him, making the front of the board move up. However, he rests his arm on the front of the board. The weight of his arm counters gravity pulling the back of the board, preventing the board from moving at all. Because he is using his arm's natural weight to his advantage, he is using less of his own energy and is able to carry the board.

Obviously this example is kinda ridiculous. I mean who doesn't know how to carry a board? But I think this explains what I mean. Person A knew a little about physics, but couldn't apply it. Person B knew little, if anything, about physics, but just figures this problem out on his own.

[yoda you can call me]

Agreed about differentiating between intelligence and being knowledgeable or educated. Since DaVinci didn't have much of a formal education in Science scholars of the time brushed his ideas aside for a while assuming he didn't know what he was talking about. That turned out to be quite the incorrect assumption haha

"brushed his ideas aside", was that intentional? haha

[unmissingpiece]

I agree with the knowledge/intelligence contrast. Although there is some correlation between the two.

[dead prez]

IQ tests are completely favor left brain thinkers, ergo they are worthless.

[classthe_king]

IQ tests are completely favor left brain thinkers, ergo they are worthless.

Says the right brain thinker

[SpiderDiaze]

Fuck intelligent people and all that shit, it's not what you know it's who you know.